Battling Bare is a private organization of women who have stripped down to promote awareness of PTSD. Their Facebook page features pictures of women who have bared their backs printed with a poem about PTSD. According to the description written by founder Ashley Wise,
“The purpose is to create an outlet for wives that are at their wits end trying to help their husbands heal…women who feel all alone in their struggle. Let us unite to raise awareness, battle back for healing, create hope and take away the feeling of being alone.”
Whether you approve or not, the group has nearly 15,000 “likes” and growing on their Facebook page. I’m tempted to do a little strippage myself. After all, using the female body to draw awareness to pretty much anything does, in fact, work. Women’s bodies have been used since the dawn of advertising to sell everything from toothpaste to tools to Toyotas. Our brains are designed to tune in to women’s bodies immediately.
So, like the breastfeeding in uniform group before them, why shouldn’t Battling Bare power forward with a few risqué photos?
My inner sociologist might be fainting dead away, but the practical part of me would go with it, I think. The thing is: is “awareness” of PTSD enough? Is the notoriety brought in by a Facebook page, a web post, a spot on Good Morning America enough to actually solve the problem of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and Post Traumatic Stress?
PTSD is no secret condition. June is National PTSD Awareness Month. PTSD scores 19 million hits on Google. Episodes of TV shows like Bones and Law and Order and Grey’s Anatomy have all featured PTSD at one time or another for the past ten years. When the wife of SSGT Robert Bales appeared on TV saying that she was unaware of the symptoms of PTSD, it shocked the community. How can you be in the military and be unaware of PTSD?
Maybe this most recent campaign should remind us that awareness is not enough anymore. Publicity stunts are not enough. What we need is a whole-community way to treat PTSD and PTS so that they go away and stay away for good. Every time we get a post on SpouseBuzz from a Vietnam vet who still suffers from PTSD I know that for sure. Every time we get a letter from a military brat whose childhood was marked by a parent came home from war depressed and anxious and scarred by PTSD I am more convinced. Every new treatment I read about and every message from the command that urges individuals to be treated gives me cause for hope.
I’m not convinced that campaigns to raise awareness will change the current experience of PTSD. Then again, what will?
About Jacey Eckhart
Comments
I saw the ads yesterday and I think they are tasteful and beautiful. I think that you are right, not only are these female bodies going to bring attention to the issue but the fact that they are spouses reminds everyone that PTSD does not just affect soldiers, but also their families. There is no doubt that we are far away from solving a lot ofisses in the military community, including proper reporting of PTSD symptoms, but any attention given to this issue can't hurt. We have seen so many negative stories about PTSD (Dr. Phil and his "monsters") that it is nice to see this kind of attention.
Well said Sarah.
Anybody have any idea how many phonies are out there claiming they have PTSD? Thinking along those lines, I would like to ask, what is it? It is not a disease or an illness. It is not a disorder unless the person claiming to have PTSD is taking drugs or alcohol. You folks need to study up on what this is all about before you jump on the band wagon and support this alleged PTSD. I know some who never heard a gun fired getting PTSD money and I know a lot of veterans who were in the thick of battle who do not have PTSD. One requirement to collect is to have dreams. Yeah right. Dreams are a natural thing.
Lots of phonies yes. But the ones who were in the thick of it, ask them “If you were to claim PTSD what would your chain of command say?” they would be called “*******” and “weak”, discouraged from seeking help. That’s just what I’ve seen though.
I have been following this campaign for a while, and I like it for a number of reasons
- it does get attention
- for me the first thing I identified with was that fighting this battle really does strip you bare at times
- but then you "cover up" and go out into the world at large and most folks never know what's underneath
- and my (now ex) might have appreciated the message presented in that manner!
I agree that awareness without action is merely a pat on the head; but awareness will hopefully lead to action. And for me, what all these pictures have in common, is the individual is making a pledge to their loved one, that they are there, and they will support. That is the most important action.
Yes, there is a national PTSD awareness month and t.v. shows cover it and there are numerous sites on the web on the topic but it doesn't take away the stigma many soldiers feel when those four letters are mentioned. Not to mention the back lash they can receive for seeking help – the military would rather discharge or prescribe meds than actually help with the healing process. I have seen men scared of a back firing car and not able to sleep or those who seek alcohol and affairs. There are many sides to this disease and the service member is not the only one effected, the family often gets the brunt of it because they feel safe at home to release these emotions. These women are doing tasteful photos to promote awareness and help take away the stigma and hushed tones this is usually talked about in. Many other foundations have made great strides by raising awareness in the public light.
Jenny,
"…the back lash they can receive for seeking help – the military would rather discharge or prescribe meds…"
This is at the core of what many soldiers I have talked to feel, to note in some recent research I found that medication is the stigma associated with PTSD. However many soldiers returning from the war don't feel like the VA is for them, they associate with with "older vets". This as well is a stigma and it needs to be addressed too. They feel like they are too young and are not "worthy" of the VA.
Something my professor and I have discussed is to propose that it is mandatory for the family to attend the therapy sessions as well. Why, it is to help both see the issue at hand. If the spouse is not able to see the pain then s/he may not fully understand the impact of PTSD other than the impact at home. While I am not certain that this would be recommended for younger children it may be appropriate for older children in later sessions.
Awareness is needed and I as well see this effort as tasteful and brings light to the core of PTSD. In my opinion the veterans of past warts have gone to great efforts to ensure that we do not experience the same public backlash they did.
v/r
Al D'Adda
PTSD is not a disease. What pills that doctors give to treat this alleged PTSD are the pills that causes PTSD (memory to the conscious mind). Do some research.
I agree with you PTSD is not treated the way it supposed to be treated, medication does not help if the individual is not taught how to cope with the symptoms emotionally. I'm a therapist and an Army wife, no one wants a label attached to them…awareness is necessary. These men and women who put their lives in danger for everyone else deserve better treatment and to not be judged when seeking the necessary help. Seeking help is not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strengh.
I think this is a very powerful project that will go far, as mentioned above PTSD strips you bare, causing one to be very uncomfortable, and I think being "bare" is a great anaology. Anything to spread awareness for PTSD is great, certain things are going to cater to certain crowds, so the more we can diversify and edcuate everyone, the better.
Campaigns might not make a huge impact at first, but they can help raise awareness, and get the funding to back new ways to treat people. I know it's quite a different way to do things, but I think these wives feel that their vulnerability is worth it if it can help someone going through this. Stripping down removes those protective walls that you use to block negativity. Your confidence is removed, you can easily be wounded. Maybe in part the wives do it to feel what their husbands are going through.
I wish there was something that could instantly cure PTS. It's sad that it is such a long struggle to regain even the simplest things you might have lost. I'm all for something that can get the word out, and help those who are in need and may not know what to do.
A lot of troops claiming PTSD just wants a monthly check. This PTSD is the biggest fraud going at the present time. Everybody encounters PTSD sooner or later in their life and you learn to deal with it and live with it. There's also 177,000 troops trying to get a monthly check for tinnitus which you learn to live with.
Im sure there is a way to verify with other people then asking the said person if he/she has PTSD. If someone has PTSD and has a family there has got to be one time where that person had an incident in front of their family. People do suffer and alot of times people just dont forget.
There are varying degrees of PTSD, and not always are they something you can just 'live with'. It can , and does take a toll on not only the service members, but their families as well.
I do agree fraud is a big issue. We could say the same thing about people on welfare. There are frauds there too, however, there are needy people who are in dire situations. Should we overlook the service members who do have PTSD because of the ones faking it? Sorry, I don't think it's right. They sign over their lives in service to this country. Vets get the shaft when they come back. Plus the stigma with PTSD can cause problems in the civilian world for service members.
As a psychologist and a Viet Nam veteran's wife (34 years), I can tell you PTSD. How lucky you are that you did not experience severe trauma that left you with nightmares, flashbacks, depression, and hyperawareness. My husband was drafted for a war he did not agree with, but he was a US male, and he did what his country demanded of him. He has paid a price for over 40 years, and now we are dealing with the life-shortening effects of his exposure to Agent Orange. So to h… with you and your claims of fraud. Go to battle and have someone try to kill you, then say there is no PTSD!
I meant my reply for Bill, who claims PTSD claims are a fraud. My replay is not for anyone else.
Robin,
Many of us who are claiming that PTSD is a fraud have been there in the mix of the battle. I for one have been there as an Army Ranger, Vietnam 66/67. I do not know how you can instruct somebody to get shot at. Further, if you do a study on PTSD you will learn quite a lot. In addition, there is only one disease proven scientifically that is caused by Agent Orange and that is Chloracne. Everythiing else, heart problems, cancer, etc, is a given. PTSD and Agent Orange is a way that the Congress pays back Soldiers for the guilt feeling of Congress for what they did to us. I do not know how you know that your husband was shot at unless you were there with him. A lot of guys claim that were in battle when they were not in battle. Look up the stats before you condemn those of us who actually fought in a war.
Have you ever fought in war Bill? I hate it when other people are judging and they have never walked a day in their shoes! Not all soldiers just want a check; they want their life back! And some of them can't even fight this battle for themselves so their loved ones; spouses, parents, children, etc are fighting it for them!
Bill. Thank you. You are exactly correct.
As a Vietnam combat vet and a counselor to PTSD victims and their families, I take issue with your statement. Comments such as "a lot of troops", "biggest fraud going" and "everybody encounters PTSD" are unsupported glittering generalities. Where are your credentials and where are your supporting statistics? I am confident there are individuals fraudulently claiming PTSD having encountered some in my counseling, but making this type of broad statement is a disservice to thousands of suffering combat vets that need our help. Your statement equates to me saying people named Bill speak in generalities because I have encountered one who does.
Spoken like a truly uninformed bystander. As a counselor to PTSD suffers, parents to 2 adopted children with PTSD, and spouse to one of the innumerable victims of the military – how little you know, Bill. I am deeply saddened that an attitude such as your still exists! Wow.
Wow Bill… how many times have you woken up in the middle of the night because you realized that you were trying to strangle your wife? How many times have you come home from work & started screaming at the kids because they weren't where you thought they should be? How many 4th of Julys have you spent under a table, hunkered over because it brought back flashbacks?
I think this is good. I was never diagnosed with PTSD but I've definitely had some memories haunt me for a long time. The only emotion I know how to show is anger, so that wasn't working with my family life. I'd seen the posters about PTSD that looked like they were ripped straight out of a psychology book. To me, things like that are a useless load of crap. The only thing that got me out of that was my wife. She sat me down and asked me what she could do to make me love her again. I never stopped loving her her and it floored me that she thought so. That moment I made peace with myself. The results weren't immediate but there was results.
These ads remind me of her. The guys the wars have screwed with (like me) have a duty to our families. My look on PTSD is that it's selfish. I'm not talking down on people who are affected by it by any means, those who have it can't see that. PTSD says "I'm haunted""I'm mad""I'm jumpy" when it's screaming at you in your head. Folks affected need to look at what their actions do to the people thay love the most. Then serve those people. I think that's the best way. We as military members spent a large part of our lives in service of country. Service is how I'm programmed. My thinking is don't try to reprogram yourself like I see a lot of the shrink's trying to do, redirect what you already know. Then the other crap fixes itself. For my Marines, Semper Fi. Think about what that means.
I agree with you 100%. My husband has PTSD. There is no cure for PTSD. He never told me that he was haunted or jumpy, but he gets angry fast, he has mood swings, and he has no emotions no feelings and he says weird things. I don't think that stripping down is a great way of showing that you care. Military wives have a bad rap for this kind of thing. I think that they are just living up to what is already being said about them.
Outstanding you couldn't have said it better. Only to late here. PTSD ended in two years ago today with the ending of one life.
I'm pretty amazed at the amount of positive feedback. I think this is trashy (not because of nudity, but because these women are wearing parts of the uniform, I always think that's trashy). I don't understand how having a friend write in permanent marker above my tramp stamp while I pose with my husband's dog tags and helmet is helping the cause.
Erica, I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, sex, nudity and trash sells. My husband suffers from PTSD because of what he endured in 2003, however, I can support him without resorting to disgracing myself or the uniform that he wears.
Been there, done that (PTSD, not stripping, myself and loved ones: From all the way back to ‘Nam, up to Afghanistan.). I’m with you ladies all the way. This and any “campaigns” which employ nudity are trashy; unfortunately, as you note, too many today like it. I can get my – our- message across more tastefully, and at the same time, just as effectively.
That's part of the problem Bernadette… You just support your husband – but there are hundreds of troops out there that don't have anyone to lean on! That's why we do this… not just for OUR Loved Ones – but for ALL that are suffering!
good luck with that!
i think its a wonderful idea i would do what these women did. no one knows what its like to live with a solider with ptsd unless you have one in your home. my husband has ptsd and a lot of people dont understand im so happy that there are people trying to make awareness it just doesnt effect the person it effects the family as well…
You are way off base BOZO.
All of the wives need to keep up the good work of reminding the military that this is an important issue that needs to be addressed.Famlies and especially the children need to be protected from the fall out of PTSD.After ww2 we were not given any support for our war weary servicemen.PTSD was not part of the vocabulary.Men were discharged with a seperation allowance of $20.00 a week for 52 weeks.No medical care and no jobs. At least now wemon have a voice and make it loud and clear that you are not taking ^^&**( for an answer.God Bless you
A different method of combating PTSD?
Veteran tunesmiths like Jason Moon ( Iraq ) and Jim Walktendonk ( VN ) have written and recorded songs about PTSD. Where are the colleges and theatres that would allow them to perform benefit concerts to raise public awareness and support for them to spread the music of healing and compassion ?
Check out the website @ http://www.yankeemedicrecords.com and download "Endangered".
I think it is beautiful and tastefully done. If it gets attention it is a good thing:) God Bless Our Military ! and the Women/Men that support them!
My husband has PTSD. He has had it now since 2006 and was diagnosed with it in 2012. There is no cure for PTSD. I knew something was wrong when he came back from Afghanistan in 2006. He didn’t realize it until 2010. I have to agree with GunnyUSMC. I have been doing research for years and the spouse with PTSD is there own worst enemy. They have to say enough is enough and snap out of it. Until that happens this disease will control them. It is hard for my family. Stripping for the cause isn’t something that I would suggest. My husband would leave me if I ever did anything like that. I tink the best way is by supporting your spouse and listening to them just being there helps them. Not showing the world your body.
Hey Ronald I’d love to meet you so that the next time you have the inclination to make a comment based from a thought inside that tiny brain of yours, I can relocate your jaw. Obviously you don’t know the first thing about the stresses an Army Wife goes through. The sacrifice and the role they assume as their husbands leave home for what could possibly be the last time is what you can only hope to fill a fraction of in your pathetic life. Feel free to contact me anytime you might find the courage to stand against the U.S. Army Soldier, Marine, Airman, or Seaman and call their spouse a *****! I assure you, you will find yourself in position not even God himself would find a way out.
Like the campaign.
Is it getting those who need care through the door?
In my experience, inability of those affected to ask for help (like so many other health issues) is the barrier, the crack in the ground, the stumbling block.
If you are suffering from PTSD, and you think there is no cure, please investigate EMDR. It's real, it has a basis in neurology (even if the practitioners can't explain that to you), and for many, many people, it WORKS.
Find a practitioner who does EMDR, don't be anybody's guinea pig, and give it a little time. It WORKS.
But you see, if it works then there is no more monthly PTSD checks.
It does work – so does neurofeedback. It can be cured!
I am thankful to see the awareness we have today compared to the situation we had in the 70's 80's and 90's. Had some of this been available in my day maybe I would not have been thru 3 marriages and all the pain…Finally found comfort in the arms of a female vet who understands the moods and my bad days…Any thing that can be done to shed more light on the problem and remove the stigma.. is awesome in my book
You know what, bill? You are just as ignorant as Dr Phil calling these guys monsters! You are stupid and I would like to know how you dare say it's all a fraud! My husband had his career taken from him because of PTSD and to this day would rather still be in the Army that used to fire Drs who diagnosed PTSD. If he didn't have me as an advocate fighting for what was right not due, he would be living in a cardboard box right now! Next time maybe you should become a little more educated before you say PTSD is a fraud! Better yet come see what it's like to live with someone who is 100% disabled PDRL with PTSD at the age of 44 then you can wonder what THEY must be going through!!!!!!!!!! expletive!
Donna,
Apparently you have not studied where PTSD originated and how. Primarily, there is no such thing as PTSD. Even the military and the VA agree because they are trying to change the name. Feed your old man some field turkey 9 which contains tryptophan and get him away from the booze and he will be alright. On the other hand, he will no longer be disabled and he will lose his check. And yes, since its conception PTSD is and was a fraud perpetrated by a nut anti-war psychiatrists. Feed him all the tryptophan you can get into him and do not allow him to drink booze of any kind. Tryptophan will cure the hippocampi and close the gate to the subsconscious. Sorry my dear but Bill is correct. Do you know that people are drawing PTSD money from the VA and they never served in the military. Did you also know that veterans practice insanity before seeing a VA psychologist so they can get more money?
Ron,
Would you please explain to me how someone who has NEVER been in the Military can collect VA compensation.
Grab the book "stolen valor" and you will learn. All one needs is a 214 to get into the VA system. It is done all the time and a blank 214 is easy to obtain. White out is good to get a blank 214. Further, remember Dan Rather's little escapade where he went to Washington and found a bunch of guys living in tent and shacks. Guess what. Only one of those guys was a veteran. All the rest were phony and they used the real vets info to obtain VA assistance. There are presently a lot of court cases, stolen valor act, where men claim they were in the service and they never served a day. AFRC, you can look on the internet these days and find all the info you want. Make sure you get a copy of stolen valor to begin with.
The heading to this blog is misleading. I've watch this group since it's beginning and have been a huge supporter. I have seen first hand what can happen to soldiers and the problems they face when coming back to "normal" life! Even though most people may be away of PTSD, the government and the VA and doing VERY LITTLE to help their own! I know! It's being swepted under the rug, while perscriptions are given and they're being told you'll get over it. The women are not showing all the body parts, they're not trying to be sexual at all if you truely understand what Battle Bare is about. I applaud them because it took something "outside the box" to get peoples attention and even still people are being so narrow minded and focusing on naked Backs, arms, feet, etc. to focus on what they are truly about!
Hear, hear!
The resources are available!
Let's remove any stigma or mis-perceptions and get our heroes what they need to have a great life!
Let's get the soldiers what they need???? Did you ever hear of a homeless veteran? Why don't you buy them a house. Or, you can come up to reality and understand that there is no such thing as a homeless veteran. VA has all the assistance needed for these so called homeless veterans but there are rules to live by when getting help from the VA and these guys don't want to live by those rules. I am retired Army after 23 years and I am a Ranger Combat Veteran. I thought I would mention that just to let you know from where I come.
So I personally haven’t had to deal with the nightmare of Prado, but I have heard stories. That being said, I also have to say that I don’t agree with the way women are portrayed as sex objects. But on the flip side, if it helps with awareness, then so be it! I for one, would never pose for one of these pictures.
It doesn't really seem like the women in this campaign are being portrayed as sex objects. What is overtly sexual about showing your back, let alone one with a meaningful poem written on it? I understand that our culture has notoriously attached nudity to sexuality, but it's really unnecessary and innaccurate to look at it that way in every situation.
Our men and women of the military give you the right to open your big mouth before engaging your small brain……your comment is uncalled for and really shows what little you know about military life……this reply is intended for Ronald45…….nobody else!!!! GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND THEIR FAMILIES!!!!!
PTSD is real. Last year I wrote and published a book about PTSD and its effects on the family. “PTSD: A Spouse’s Perspective” by Erica David explores the behavior that results from PTSD and some coping mechanisms. After 20 years of dealing with this illness I want other spouses to know I understand.
Hi Erica. I am a Vietnam Veteran with PTSD. the VA's way of dealing is to give you drugs. And talk. Excuse me talking is the way Women deal with their problems. Not men. I am also a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist. Get your "man" to a good Hypnotherapist that works with PTSD. He will be able to show your Man way to de-sensitise the Emotions so they do not "Bite" anymore.. I am the only one in my VA PTSD Group that is not heavily medicated. And the Psychologist cannot understand why. Their treatments are still in the 1960's. I use Self-Hypnosis toi Cope
Dewey
Never heard of this method of dealing with PTSD but I know from experience that my husband can control his emotions (sometimes) especially when around other people. He doesn’t think he has a problem. He thinks everything is my fault do he doesn’t need to help.
Popycock. The best treatment for those who claim they have PTSD to to feed them lots and lots of tryptophan and the second step is keep them the hell away from alcohol, including beer and wine. And that my dear friend will solve their problem. By the way, those pills that VA hands out causes the same symptoms that are the symptoms as alleged PTSD. For your info I also have written a book about PTSD, 111,000 words proving that PTSD is not real. There is no such thing and the military and VA also acknowledge it that is why they are trying to change the name from PTSD to something else which they have as yet to come up with. Want the truth. Congress is paying out money to satisfy their own guilt feelings.
In your book what do you attribute the symptoms to in regards to the name of an illness. It really doesn’t matter what PTSD is renamed. It doesn’t lessen the impact it has on spouses and family members.
What a eye opener, to hear other spouses and their children say what I feel and have lived. Although I wouldnt wish this type of stress on others, I find peace in knowing I am not alone.
This may have been the gut punch that PTSD awareness needed, but the person who posed the question "Would You Strip For PTSD Awareness?" just set it back to place it didn't need to go. Why use 'strip' punctuate your question, you just have just cheapened thier cause.
To the bozo who thinks PTSD is a fraud. I think he said his name was ron. He claims to be a Army Ranger Vietnam combat vet from 66-67. I wonder just how truthful his statement is. A lot of frauds out there claiming to be rangers, SF, Recon, Seals but in actuality they are full of it as I think this clown is. Where is his proof he was a Combat Vet. He could have been a supply clerk in the rear with the gear or a remington raider never seeing a shot fired in anger. I am not belitting the supply clerks or office troops as many of them picked up rifles and fought off attacks, but this guy calls troops with PTSD frauds and I have the feeling he is the biggest one of all. If you think PTSD is false, ask the wives and kids and parents of someone with it and see if they believe the hell they live with is a fraud and what the changes in their loved ones were after they came home.
I am a former active duty disabled SSGT in the United States Marine Corps, Vietnam 1967-68. Doorgunner on UHIE's and CH-46's. I can actually show you my DD-214 and awards. How about you Ranger Bozo.
The only down side is that female vets who have been sexually traumatized also suffer from PTSD and said pictures could aggerverate rather than help their condition. That said, vets with PTSD have "turned off" their feelings to deal with what they saw in combat. Turning those feelings back on is very painful, and the switch to do so, seems to be broken. If it gets vets to come in for counseling, its a great first step. Vets need to find something or someone to trust in again after combat. Other vets, who have been in combat, are one of the few things vets with PTSD trust, and so provide a support group. Hopefully these pictures can stimulate that need to get into a group.
many have the condition, however are left out without treatment because of the affects it can cause your continued service. The families who also suffer are told not to say a word and speak to anyone about the continued disorder. I am happy my spouse and I served this country for 25 years, yet cry for the younger generation who will face the same stigma and told to be still and all will be great! Lie, Lie!!!!! We are failing our military more today than ever, and as time passes we see first hand what is coming, as the military has lost respect, honor and the will to serve what we the senior people have witnessed. may God bless this country with grace and love. Amen
I plan on submitting photos…. I think it's a wonderful idea.
There is help out there. It's The Freedom Care Program. Freedom Care is a leading provider of inpatient and residential programs designed to meet the unique needs of warriors, veterans, retirees and their families. Mental health and addiction programs are available to meet the needs of military families and retirees. Adults, senior adults, children and adolescents. Specialized women's services for combat trauma, militray sexual trauma, other traumas, depression, addiction and other psychiatric illnesses. The Combat Trauma program is exclusively for warriors who have experienced combat. They treat post-traumatic stress disorder, combat operational stress, adjustment disorder, and when indicated, co-occurring addiction. There are facilities in Arizona, Oregon, Texas, and Utah. To refer a military patient call 866-441-4440 24/7, or email info@freedomcare.com, or visit http://www.freedomcare.com.
Would I battle bare. Yes in fact I already did and have submitted a photo. The fact that the page has received over 26 thousand likes in 2 months and has already established support peer to peer support groups for service members, veterans AND families in well over 36 states tells you what it has done to raise awareness. The pictures are not X rated, they are not even what I would classify as naked they are soul baring. So you may "fail to see" but thank goodness someone did see it.
This is a really nice way to show that people cares about those people who suffers from PTSD. I am sure that with the love of their families and the continues therapy all of them will leave normal again. Good post.
This is disgusting. I don't support it. A bunch of whores putting the military in a bad light again! I wonder why the General did nothing for Ashley whatever her last name is. Oh yeah because many other people are suffering other than her (one) husband. Maybe the ladies are just mad their husbands are going to get chaptered out and they will lose all their benefits. If you want to strip in a uniform take off your husband name and stop feeling sorry for yourselves. I'm completely disgusted at these women. They would do better doing webcam porn. Go make some $$ there.