Soldier Ditches Deployment by Objecting to War


Newsflash: the military is not a convenient form of welfare. If you’re going to join up you’re going to have to serve stateside, downrange or wherever Uncle Sam sends you.

This probably doesn’t come as a shock to most of you. But it sounds like it might have been to one Army Private Second Class and his family newly stationed at Fort Hood.

In one of the most baffling stories of deployment avoidance I’ve read recently, PV2 Christopher Munoz, fresh out of basic training, has filed as a “conscientious objector” and refused to deploy.

PV2 Christopher Munoz finished basic training in April, PCSed to Fort Hood and in short order learned he was soon heading to Afghanistan. From his wife, Breanna, in this story:

“After he got out of basic, once I was able to start talking to him again, he just seemed really different and had a different attitude about the army and everything versus when he went in, and, once he got here, we found out that he was going to be deployed and everything just kind of got more real, and he just felt like he couldn’t do it,” Breanna said.

The conscientious objector directive, which you can read here, is for servicemembers who, after they join up, develop some sort of “firm, fixed and sincere objection to participation of war in any form or the bearing of arms” thanks to religious training or moral or ethical beliefs. They can file as an objector to all military service and get out, or as an objector to fighting alone, and stay in the rear.

Munoz was ordered to show-up at his unit with his gear for deployment. He came as ordered, but left his gear at home and told his command that participating conflicted with his conscience, according to this story. As a result his command reassigned him to the rear while a decision on his objector application is being made.

I can’t know Munozs’ motives for certain. Maybe he really did wake-up one morning during Basic Training and suddenly realize that he had real moral objections to military service.

But I find that hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that after more than 10 years of war any American who makes it into a recruiter’s office to sign on the dotted line doesn’t have some idea about what they are getting into. At the very least they must know that the Army deploys to fight wars and that, right now, that war is in Afghanistan. They must know they carry guns. They must be smarter than Goldie Hawn in Private Benjamin and know that the Army doesn’t necessarily come with a condo.

Munoz likely learned that he could become a conscientious objector through a flyer from “Our Lives Our Rights” campaign after his arrival at Fort Hood. That organization started a push in April to spread the good news of objection. From their site:

On April 1st, the Our Lives Our Rights campaign deployed veterans and active-duty soldiers to Fort Hood, TX, ahead of an impending deployment to Afghanistan with the message “You don’t have to go!”

OLOR organizers distributed thousands of leaflets on and off base, conducted high-profile visibility actions, and was covered in the local press.

As a result of this bold outreach campaign, one soldier at Fort Hood who is set to deploy to Afghanistan who was conflicted about his participation in the war saw that there was support and contacted Our Lives Our Rights.

Munoz has been provided counsel by the legal director of the Oklahoma Center for Conscience and Peace Research, an organization that last year nominated PFC Bradley Manning for the Nobel Peace Prize. Manning is accused of leaking government secrets and is on trial for aiding the enemy, among other charges.

More from Munoz’s wife (said prior to his command’s decision to keep him stateside):

“If he does end up coming home during the deployment, it kind of brings awareness to the other soldiers who don’t want to go or who also have the same war inside them to be able to come forward and actually say it, and do something about it,” Breanna said.

We haven’t heard from Munoz, likely because he is not permitted to talk about it publicly.

What really rubs me the wrong way about this whole thing is tied specifically to his wife’s statements. That “… it kind of brings awareness to the other soldiers who don’t want to go …” and “… we found out that he was going to be deployed and everything just kind of got more real, and he just felt like he couldn’t do it.”

To me that sounds like cold feet. That sounds like post-Basic training regret. That sounds like they thought the military would be an easy paycheck, a simple way to find a job, a walk in the park.

But military life isn’t those things. For the servicemember joining the military means deploying. For the spouse agreeing to the military means sacrifice.

And for the whole family military life comes down to one word: service.

How can you not know that before you sign-up?

If Munoz didn’t want to serve maybe he should not have gotten in to start with. Realizing after deployment that you morally object to war is one thing. Deciding four months out of basic training that you suddenly are against all wars is something completely different.

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172 Comments on "Soldier Ditches Deployment by Objecting to War"

  1. As a veteran you lost me at military service is a form of welfare. Dolt.

    • L Something | July 15, 2013 at 12:44 pm |

      What? The author wrote “not a convenient form of welfare.”

    • I think the "dolt" is the person who couldn't comprehend what the article said.

    • gimmeabrekplez | July 17, 2013 at 9:41 am |

      Newsflash: the military is not a convenient form of welfare. If you’re going to join up you’re going to have to serve stateside, downrange or wherever Uncle Sam sends you.

    • Charles V. Swenson | July 17, 2013 at 11:10 am |

      I would suspect that his word of “welfare” was meant to read warfare. Maybe you should try giving the author the benefit of doubt before you start calling him names (dolt) – as if you NEVER made a mistake.

    • Richard W. | July 18, 2013 at 5:10 pm |

      Hey Ron, I am also a Veteran and agree 100% with the author of this article. People think that the Military is a way to an easy paycheck, health benefits and benefits for their families. I think you read to much into the remark made referencing welfare and misunderstood the meaning behind it. The bottom line is when a person signs on the dotted line you are expected to go where and when the Military tells you to go. If a person thinks he/she will not end up being deployed to the current war zone, then they need a reality check and fast. So Ron, try reading the article again without the blinders on and I bet you will probably agree with the author about this individual and his piss poor excuse trying to weasel out of serving in a combat zone.

      • Good for u kid to hell with them they would just use u up for there own personal least it took u up to a year the army and Its swmior leaders are full of took me 15 years and 4 deployments to figure it out its ur right thats what we fought for

  2. msfaithmagazine | July 15, 2013 at 8:15 am |

    Seriously, I didn't realize that the Army was for Welfare is the perfect way to say it. I hate when people think that they deserve just a paycheck when joining the military. First off you took an oath, second your gonna have a chance of deploying, unlikely you won't because even cooks, support, and women deploy. What makes him so special?

    My husband has done three very hard infantry tours and never backed out or denied his duty. I'm appalled isn't that cause for Dishonorable discharge?

    Amy thanks for writing this because we as spouses usually don't have a say so this helps others realize it's not fair to those family that carry out their duty. PROUDLY!

  3. I say let the coward out, but make him pay every penny back. All travel expense, all the medical expense while he was in boot camp, he should have to pay back any and all benefits all the way to Ft Hood. Let him out, then garnish his checks. Or better yet, send him to afganistind and have him scrub toilets for 2 years.
    I say this because there is no way this moral or religious objection miraculously just happened. It was either there before he signed up and lied there, or he is just a lying coward now. I just cannot see how this objection to war manifested itself all-of-a-sudden, and directly coincides with his shipping orders.

    He is misusing the "objection to war", and this is bad for someone that would eventually really need this.

    • You sound a lot like a bigot, Nathan. How about just let him out and let him work out where he needs to go from here? He’s going to have enough trouble reversing out of the path he chose. Ever hear of the term, compassion?

      • umm NO…how many tax dollars have paid for his salary, housing, training, food, medical etc. He SHOULD pay back every single damn cent, he's trying to con the government, us taxpayers, and pull a hoodwink on every single soldier and their families. He is a disgrace to the military and soldiers who have actually sacrificed something and should be dealt with accordingly

        • Charles V. Swenson | July 17, 2013 at 11:17 am |

          Then in your way of thinking, any civilian that chooses (for whatever reason) to quit their job would also be obligated to pay back to their employer all the costs of their hiring, training, uniforms and equipment use, and anything else that they had use of.

          Then in your way of thinking, any children you had would be obligated to repay you when they leave the nest for their expenses incurred during their upbringing to include diapers worn, food eaten, utilities used, etc.

          • No, in this way of thinking, if you sign a contract and take an oath, then break that legally binding agreement, you should have to pay back what ever resources you've used that were provided by the other party. Then, in consideration of the fact that the contract stipulates what would happen to you if you should break said contract, you will have to take those consequences as well.

        • Speaking of returning training money. Do you have an idea of all the millions we waste on the afghans and we do not make them accountable for? We have made multimillionaires and no one puts a stop to it. The numbers of deserters in their forces cannot compare to the few we have. They live off from American taxpayers and who knows how many hundreds do that on a monthly basis. So let this guy have cold feet now and not in a coffin later. We got to remember that recruiters have quotas and they paint a glossy story to all these media brainwashed kids, and that has to be changed and show them the hardships that one must endure and be conscious that there are no warranties. We want the best in our armed forces, not the rest.

          • I'm all for letting these "objectors" out. Then, promptly making them pay back the fees they've incurred in their "learning experience". Letting them out does not mean that there is no longer a debt to be paid. They signed a contract and took an oath. They were over the age of 18 when signing said contract. Just because "things got more real" does not mean they don't owe a debt. Kind of like when you sign a service contract for your electricity to be turned on. When you get that first bill, it doesn't mean you can go up to the company and say "I object, I didn't know what I was going to have to pay! This bill just made me realize how real it is! I want out!" Fine, cancel your service, but you're GOING to pay for what you've used, or have that debt follow you around for a very, very long time.
            This is what being an adult is about. Making decisions and paying for them.

      • dan, Nathan is not a bigot. but he is correct on what he stated….. compassion, now thats funny…. compassion did not give you freedom. this private is a loser and coward. we are at war. what did he think when he enlisted. man up….. if u dont want to serve, dont serve. but dont slap the hand that gives you freedom. you should be grateful. as for private dumb dumb coward, a year in the brig and a dishonorable discharge sounds about right.

      • He does need to be let out. My son is in Afghanistan. Our men survive in war because the protect each other. If his heart isn’t in it, sending him over there just endangers our real soldiers who depend on each other everyday.

      • Nathan is ! This little coward is playing the system. Send him to Afghanistan, then give him a job of cleaning mine fields. Let him learn on the job.

      • oldbrokendownretiree | July 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm |

        you sound as if you are for rewarding cowardice; is that what you are advocating? This clown got his salary paid, clothing, food and training and now all of the sudden he doesn't want to fight? What part of "I _________do solomley swear to uphold and DEFEND the constitution of the United States…" didn't he understand. Sometimes you have to fight when you're a man!

        • couldn't have responded to Dan any better.

        • Did you vote for Obama?

        • Good for u kid to hell with them they would just use u up for there own personal least it took u up to a year the army and Its swmior leaders are full of took me 15 years and 4 deployments to figure it out its ur right thats what we fought for

        • From an enemy foreign and domestic..and after 15 years and 4 deploymemts it finally dawned on me that our government was full of shinola and senior military leaders are also full of it..our democracy is not in danger from any country other than our own…good ob kid screw em cause ur just a number it takes more intestinal fortitude to stand up when u know everyone gonna talkbad about your right to be a C.O. to hell with em your family 1st

          • Only in a draft should there be conscientious objector status. In an all volunteer military you know what you are signing up for when you get in.

            Sounds like this guy was one of those losers who had no idea what to do in the civilian world so he joined. Just the sort of person the military does not need. But I agree he shouldn't be forced he should just be charged for the costs of training. Although he'll probably start claiming he got PTSD from basic and go on disability and get Section 8 housing and food stamps and an Obama phone and he'll be livin' the dream in Obamaville like the rest of the losers.

      • How in the name of all that's holy did you come to the idea that Nathan is a "bigot?" What he said is exactly true, and what should happen. Compassion? Okay, I could see that if he lived up to his committment and became a medic and risked his well being to help others.. That's surely not fighting. This kid knew what he was signing up for and then pussied out when his time came to go. No compassion from me.. My compassion goes to the families of those who went and came back injured, or in a flag draped box.

      • "I do not think that word means what you think it means". You keep throwing the word "bigot" around in the wrong context, Dan. But everything else you say is wrong, also, so I suspect modern education is at play here.

        I'm about to retire, and I really hope the board tells him he can deploy to Afghanistan, or he can deploy to the brig for abusing the CO program. A milspouse needs to pull his wife aside and give her an earful, too. She really seems to think she needs to support his poltroonery, not his service.

      • Sorry Dan, but have you ever heard of the term National Debt? Have you heard that we've been furloughed? We can't afford to "just let him out" without paying back what he owes.
        This is NOT about compassion, it's about a contractual obligation. He would be obligated to paying back every penny, anyway, just due to the fact that he is breaking contract.

    • Today's Army does NOT punish, but rewards COWARDS and Traitors. When was last tie anyone heard of a Dishonorable Discharge, or even an Undesirable Discharge given to these cowards and traitors?? As yourself, why he hell do they keep buying that crap about being a UNconscious objector AFTR he/she finds a deployment order is issued???

    • I agree with you. On all accounts. There are reasons for objection but this use of it decreases its value and shames its proper use.

  4. StarlaRose | July 15, 2013 at 11:19 am |

    I'm just going to go with what my husband has said about this because I 100% agree, "He's just a stupid kid that wanted to PLAY Soldier, and doesn't have the balls the BE one."

    He knew full well what the military was when he signed that dotted line. This isn't COD or Battlefield, this is real life. Men and women serve, bleed and die for our country. Everyone knows signing up that they may have a chance of deploying;yes, even deploying right after BCT/AIT. We are at war, and have been at war for quite a while. This is something that really grinds my gears just as much as the females who purposely get pregnant before deployment.

    This kid also got an enlistment bonus. While it's great for those that actually DO their job, this kid is nothing more than a leech. He has wasted resources, time and a spot for someone who could have actually done the job. Making a better life for your family actually means you need to work hard, do your job, and provide. The military is not welfare, the military is not a handout, the military is not just a paycheck. This kid, and his 'wife' only saw it as that.

    I hope he gets kicked out, and has to pay everything back. But I'm sure some hippie group will scoop them up and give them money they don't deserve if that happens. Leeches after all need fresh blood.

    • I agreed with everything up until the "hippie" comment. I assume you mean "liberal". I am a liberal, my Officer husband is a Liberal (with 21+ years of service so far), he has deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan 3 times (year long tours) and I also served in the army for 10 years. We don't have to agree with everything our government does or says, but my husband follows lawful orders handed down by our President, etc. regardless. Just because we don't agree with the reasons we went to war doesn't mean we don't support our country. I feel no malice towards people like this kid, but I think snarky comments likes your hippie one is uncalled for.

      • StarlaRose | July 15, 2013 at 2:45 pm |

        It is true that you do not have to agree to the war. That is your right as a citizen and a free thinking person. However, at MEPS you have to put out that you're a CO. You can't decide that, upon arriving to your FDS , and getting orders in your hands for deployment that you now are a CO. He's using this as a ploy to get out of deployment. There are MANY service members that object to the war we're in. That, however, does not stop them from doing the job they signed up to do.

        I'm sorry you found my 'hippie' comment to be snarky. But you have to admit that it is true though. There will be support, financially, given to these people simply because they are now deciding the Army is not right for their family. My comment is far from the worst about this subject. If you were to venture on the many FB pages that have posted it there has been a lot worse said.

        • You sound a lot like a bigot, StarlaRose, just like Nathan above you. How about just let him out and let him work out where he needs to go from here? He’s going to have enough trouble reversing out of the path he chose. Ever hear of the term, compassion? With your free mind, did you ever think that maybe the kid experienced PEOPLE that he didn’t like, while in basic training? That maybe he wasn’t prepared for the atmosphere of the military, which he had to learn about while in basic training, since that’s what basic training is about… I don’t think his response is ridiculous at all. It’s human. He didn’t go ape shit. He conscientiously objected, and with a whole lotta balls, to show up without his gear when he was supposed to. Show some goddamn compassion for the kid. Your comment is just as horrible. You’ve got blinders on. You’re literally making an estimation about him instead of knowing facts. And I would say, that if we have a military full of objectors, then we have a military full of murderers who are lying to us and themselves, defending something they don’t even believe in. Bigger problem than Muñoz who decided to get out of it before he got in too deep.

          • Where do you get off calling everyone a bigot? Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word bigot.

            I agree that the kid could have developed a conscientious objection to fighting in a war, now that he was faced with the reality of really being a soldier, and he should be kicked out. I don't agree that he should pay back all of the money he has earned. He earned that money by doing his job during that time. However, if he did receive an enlistment bonus then he definitely should pay that back because he is not completing the terms of his contract. That is basic tort law. He also should just be discharged and given a ride to the main gate. After that it's his responsibility to get him and his family to wherever they want to live. With the breach of contract it no longer is the responsibility of the government to fulfill any more terms of the contract. An admin discharge could be processed by close of business tomorrow and we're no longer tasked with this guy. This also would send a message to anyone else that thinks that the military is a place to just hang out and collect money without doing the "unfun" parts of the job.

          • No, once again Dan, he deserves the harshest of punishments he can get…frankly, showing up without his gear for a deployment he was scheduled to be on does NOT show balls, it shows complete and utter cowardliness. Now some other poor soldier, who might have been deployed three or four times in the past is going to be forced to take this cowards place. My husband and I have NEVER agreed with this war (and I was active duty before getting married as well) However, we have BOTH deployed, him 4 times, to do what has been expected of us as protectors of our country. This is NOT an easy paycheck like this fool apparently thinks

          • PS he should have been thrown in jail the minute he showed up without his stuff, and immediately lost all benefits, including housing and medical for his family IMHO

          • StarlaRose | July 15, 2013 at 10:51 pm |

            Lol. I show compassion to those that deserve it. I'm sure he didn't mind spending that enlistment bonus when he was having a moral dilemma about the war.

          • Dan, I am happy to be a bigot. At least I am smarter than you. Boot cp changes everyone. He only objects when he got his orders, not before. If he did not get orders to ship out to war he would have stayed in the Army. It was probably his intentions all along. The time frame is not right. He got caught lying. That is all he is is a lying coward. You can defend people like this all you want Dan, but I won’t. He lied before or after, but he is lying. I don’t even care that he is a coward. I don’t like people that lie. I have no use for them. I take that back, he would make a good toilet scrubber.
            A non- compassionate bigot

          • Let him out, cowardly as it may be. I for one appreciate him not putting the lives of our soldiers including my son in harms way by deploying knowing he can’t pull the trigger. Discharge him, don’t let him back in. My youngest son is 17 and now in basic to be an infantry man. That’s two sons serving our country and us. This life isn’t for everyone. They new what they were getting into as my dad is a retired officer, yet the experience is very personal and individual. Yet I’m going to argue that they taught my sons to be warriors. This man knew in basic it wasn’t for him. He chose to collect psyche is until the call for duty was put on him. Let him out, I’m not sure what his punishment should be.

          • What the hell is your definition of "bigot" Dan? anyone who doesn't agree with you. Talk about misuse, and overuse of the term.

      • Had to make sure you threw that "my Officer husband" there, didn't you?

    • StarlaRose,

      Well-stated. You hit the nail directly on the head!

  5. I think he had a rough time in basic for whatever reason and when he got home he had an equally weak support system. Had his wife supported him properly by telling him what he was doing was for his family, for his country and the right thing to do (because he signed up for it at the very least) he would have deployed and things would be different now. I am a vet, I know what he went through in basic and AIT. I can say there are certainly individuals who should not serve (I have seen my fair share), but to pull this card at this time, naw, I don't buy it. I have a feeling his wife (and possibly his extended family) have much more to do with it. I agree with him having to pay back all the monies spent on his training etc. up until now. Sounds good to me.

    • the first mel | July 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm |

      So, you are going to blame the wife and his extended family for his decision? He is a grown man who should have the balls to uphold his commitment.

    • Weak support system is B.S. I was in 30 years ago and received the old dear John letter. I was on my own and the only ones to help me through that time were my brothers, the guys that I was with in the jungle. He made his bed when he joined up, nobody made him. He should accept his punishment like a man. I am a disabled veteran and I would be proud to re-up. I miss it every, single day. It is an honor to serve and this clown doesn’t have any honor.

  6. Reminds me of the scene in Apocalypse Now. The one of the kid on the Huey screaming, "I am not going" over and over again, until the Sargent puts a boot up his backside and grabs him by the collar…. Yes indeed, send this POS and make him walk point….. "Welfare System" well, kick the wife in the azz too while you are at it…

  7. I'm not even sure why this is such a huge story in the media. We had one of these Conscientious Objectors in my Company in language school. It's not all that uncommon even in an all-volunteer military. It does seem a little convenient for a kid to figure out they are pacifists right out of Basic Training. But I don't know what's going on in someone else's head. Maybe war really is theoretical for some people until you're holding an M-4 and you've got a little green silhouette in your sights. The military has review boards that go through these applications very closely. They're decent at figuring out when it's real conviction and when it's just cowardice.

    This kid hasn't received his enlistment bonus yet, likely, or if he has it was recent enough that it can be taken back pretty easily. He can sit around Rear D while they sort him out. I wouldn't recommend Rear D to anyone, it'll be almost punishment enough if he is just malingering. If he's not they'll get him on a flight over soon enough. But one point in his favor, at least he is staying and working through the system, rather than just going AWOL. We had several of those. Yeah, he'll leave the unit short-handed. But when isn't a unit short-handed?

  8. Oh my goodness, sorry I took the time to read this article. I'm sorry but what a big baby, honestly, I mean you joined the Army, what was he expecting recess and nap time. I cannot stand when people act like this, and on top of that there's his wife condoning it. I am a military wife myself, and if you had me move away from my family and friends, get me settled somewhere, I am going to have to get a little upset that you change your mind. I'm just confused at what he thought he was getting into exactly. It doesn't matter , this guy just needs to suck it up now, do his job, and do it well and get out when his time is up. We've been at war for 12 yrs,, so if you go and sign up for the Army, what made you think you didn't have a chance of deploying. At the base were at there was a guy who had no problem with the Army or his job, and duties that came with it , and than deployment came up and he decided he couldn't go do to religion conflict. Oh the excuses. If you sign up , you sign up for the whole deal. How unfair all the other men and women have to go do their job, and yes deployment is part of the job, and others can just get out of it. I would just be embarassed to stand next to these soldiers when they came home, and call myself one of them. My husband just deployed a few months ago again, so I take this a little personally, and I am a little irritated with this man. It is my husbands 6th deployment, and it's not easy on us here at home, and on him dealing with being over there. , but it's his job, and he and I both know that. He knew exactly what he signed up for, and I have yet to see him complain, I am very proud of him. So this guy needs to do some growing up. If he wants to see hard work , real long hrs, and recurring deployments he can come join the 101st..

  9. sabrinacking | July 16, 2013 at 12:10 am |

    This is very unfair. But there are also a plethora of people still in the military who avoid deployments through all sorts of political maneuvers and then families like mine have to go through 5 year long combat deployments to compensate for it. Share the wealth I say.

  10. Stop calling him a coward because he doesn't want to fight this BS "War on Terror". He probably wants to actually fight for his country, not fight a war that only fuels the very thing we set out to stop (terrorism).

    I've wanted to join my whole life, I still want to, but I refuse to do so at the moment. When a real war breaks out and my country actually needs me, I'll be there. But this war is nothing but BS.

    • oldbrokendownretiree | July 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm |

      Ryan; and old saying "If you can't run with the big dogs, keep your scrawny little anklebitter ass on the porch." Please stay on the porch an leave the war to real men. And oh by the way, wear a dark undershirt so that you can keep that bright yellow streak down your back from shining through your over clothes.

      • I have to admit this comment just made my day

      • Ryan, coming from a man who lost family in the world Trade Center, served multiple tours in Iraq, lost friends, and came home injured. I would rather never have a man of moral fiber every disgrace the military uniform. A true patriot would serve the country no matter the war because in the end when the bullets are flying, you find you are not their for political beliefs but for your brother in arms. This is the greatest gift we have to give each other, and it is something you will never have.

    • Gee, perhaps then he shouldn't have joined? I'm fine with him not wanting to fight, that is easily solved by not enlisting in the first place. Enlisting, taking a pay check and then refusing to deploy is no moral conviction, it is cowardice and failure to honor the oath he swore.

      • Exactly…I can't believe some are defending him when this is a voluntary service, no one makes you go through taking the asvab, a long day at meps, and then finally signing your name on the dotted line to say you will fight and defend you country for 8 years max. Do your research before you join…especially in this case he just finished bct…come on now.

    • It must be very convenient for you to be able to pick and choose what YOU think is a "moral war" or not. As to the BS war on terror, go to the World Trade Center site and tell a relative of a person lost that day that you think its BS. Make sure you have your dental plan paid up. As to joining, stay the hell out of my military, WE DO NOT WANT YOU!!!!!!!!! I've got seven years in green, during the 70's=80's. Eight uncles in WW2, one was on the Bataan death march. My dad was Korea and my brother Vietnam. You do not deserve to wear the same uniform they did. Maybe if we gave you to the Taliban, they could play soccer with your severed head. You aren't using it at the moment.

      • they wouldn't get much use out of the severed head since it would deflate so fast…!!!

    • Ryan

      When you join you don’t pick and choose which war to fight. Atfer 35 years in the Army I complied with the orders I was issue. I would perfer you never join. I could not depend on you when the time come to fight.

    • Gilbert GarciaJr | July 17, 2013 at 9:54 pm |

      Your such a coward Ryan. I guess you and this other person (Munoz) don't mind enjoying everything the USA offers you. But, you and others like you don't want to die for this freedoms. The only reason people act like this, is because they want all the benefits/freedoms, but aren't willing to fight or die for those freedoms. Get a life and stop hiding behind religon and women. I served over 20 years in the Army, got 3 deployments to fight in Viet-nam, and 1 tour to the Domican Republic. Our marriage also suffered because of the tours I was assigned too, but nonetheless my wife still supported me and the Army. I paid for family so that they can enjoy the freedoms affoded us in this country. Are you sure your an American? I personally don't see you and company as true Americans. God Bless our troops.

    • He didn't have a problem with the war until he found out he was actually going. That IS cowardice. And since you don't seem to understand that the individual soldier doesn't make policy, doesn't get to decide on the value of the war, please, please, PLEASE do not EVER enlist. We don't need your kind of barracks lawyer.

    • R.H. Strohm | July 18, 2013 at 8:47 am |

      It appears that you're omnipotent, and of course, can therefore decide when a "real war" breaks out. I suspect your assertion that "I'll be there" is as authentic as your statement
      (I've wanted to join my whole life, I still want to, but I refuse to do so at the moment.)

      Read more:

    • Well junior, when a "real war" breaks out, we'll be sure to call you. However, in the event that were to happen, you'll have to spit your boyfriend's member out of your mouth. Oh wait I was mistaken, congratulations, your kind openly serve now.

      Good luck


    • Joseph Bollman | July 21, 2013 at 9:52 pm |

      My best friend Rocky Wade Hanna and I went into the Marine Corps back in June 1968. Nam in 1969, and PFC Rocky Wade Hanna as KIA within 5 days in country. He recieved the Purple Heart and Silver Star…..

      Men like him are what our Marines and Soldiers are here for to fight for his/their country!!!!!

      The ones that did come back were treated like s h i t after the Vietnam War. I'm still fighting Vietnam War in my head and suffer from PTSD.

      I'm still treated like s h i t now days from the people that sat on their ass back home, and I have a lot more to say, but won't……

    • Nathan Hernandez | July 22, 2013 at 12:36 pm |

      Ok Rayan so he objects to the war fine,I give you credit for your honesty ,and not joining nevertheless this cowar did not take the same aproche as you did ,he actually raised his right hand and took the oath. No one held a gun to his head making him do it. Maybe he just joined for the paycheck and benefis, someone should have told him he had to earn them before he joined he is a pice of dirt. After four combat tours to Iraq and Afganistan I'm proud to say that if i have to go again i will proudly do it. it would be an honor to die in combat, after seeing some of my soldiers pay the ultimate price for freedom. I valenteer to do this regardless of the mission weather I agree or not,

    • Ryan,Please DO NOT join the military. We true warriors and patriots don't need your kind anywhere near us. You would only endanger us.Go live in your fantasy world and leave the real fight for the professionals. COWARD!

    • Ryan, if you ever do join (which I hope you don't), I'm sure your supervisor and commanding officer will love you when you say "I don't agree with what I'm asked to do today, so I'm going home. Y'all can take care of this."

  11. Phillip S | July 16, 2013 at 3:11 am |

    Kick him out. Also make sure he can not get ANY FEDERAL AID at all for him or his family (Spouse or Kids).
    He can explain that he was a COWARD AND THAT IS WHY HE CANT GET FOOD STAMPS



  12. I just would like to say that even in the popular entertainment the bad guys are never shown at home with their kids and families, in order to kill, one must cease to see individual human beings and instead reduce them to an abstraction.
    Media have a big influence, when you see and hear on the media all the bad and terrible things enemies do to your country, brothers etc. you get emotionally fueled with anger and excited to take action and pay back.
    but with time the anger and the excitement goes away and all its left is your conscious and your morals.
    you are blaming that man for being a good person and refusing to sin and kill.
    God said , though shall not kill, he didn't say you can kill on mondays and tuesdays and made exceptions for wars!
    Maybe when his time came his conscious couldn't accept killing another human being!
    think about that.!
    THank you.

    • Mitch, god also said till death do us part, but Americans have the highest divorce rate over 80% give or take a little. You are supporting his choice to break a commitment. What people like you don’t seam to understand is that he signed a 4 year contract in the US Army. He can change his mind in 4 years. He joined the ARMY. Not the f- in Red Cross. Do you see the difference? So saying he didn’t know is a joke and a lie. He did NOT join the peace core. He joined a MILITARY FORCE. So quit defending people and saying that it is alright to break the rules, and break the laws. He knew what he was doing, both of them!!!!!!

    • Obviously you have not read the entire Old Testament; lots of war and blood shed instructed by God Himself. Don't quote the Bible just to suit your argument.

      • sabrinacking | July 17, 2013 at 1:19 pm |

        Laura, you weren't aware…God went to anger management somewhere between the Old and New Testaments…he was probably there while Jesus was wandering the desert.

    • Gilbert Garcia Jr | July 17, 2013 at 10:11 pm |

      You have got to be kidding me… Really, 1st you make a good argument for the USA, but then you wash that away by excepting Bullshit.. I hope your a young person, because if not you are a self made coward. That's my view point. You are either a patriot or you or not? Grow up and stand up for our country. Someone better… before some other country invades us and changes all our family and country are all about. Than and only than will all of you understand about the defense of our country. If this happens, your family's past and present will all be gone. Support our military, or go out to any other country that you'd like more. Fight for the USA. Love it or leave it!. God bless your freedom of speech

    • Nowhere in this article does it say what this Soldier's MOS is. Did he sign up as an 11B, that would mean he was ignorant of what the Infantry does; or did he sign up as a Signalman or Medic, hoping to pick up some marketable skills training? Either way, he played the system and should be given his walking papers with the military owed a pay-back of funds spent on him.

    • M.G. Burg | July 18, 2013 at 5:15 pm |

      GOD didn't say "Thou shalt not kill." HE said "Thou shalt not murder." Otherwise, the paradox remains with "kill" as the end-game. In the Old Testament (OT), GOD said numerous times to the Jews to "…slay thy enemy and thy enemy's wife and children…" for the sole purpose of making sure there wasn't a retaliation for "You killed my Mom/Dad…" B.S. that would happen later on…like the Hatfields & McCoys. HE didn't want us going around and murdering folks 'caused they looked at us wrong or things like that. Killing was intended to defend or protect someone/something. Murdering is wanton randomness or greed. So for little Tommy Chickenlittle, such it up. You got into this bed and you're going to have to either man-up or puss-off. And that goes for the wifey, too. If not, you've condemed your family to…well, in his case, he probably wouldn't care what he does to any of his family…

    • Nathan Hernandez | July 22, 2013 at 1:10 pm |

      Ok Mitch sounds like you are a christian well so am'i I've been on the Army 15 years I've done four combat tours in Iraq and Afganistan, I have seen my soldiers get blown up, ok what about the people of Israel in the old testament, when GOD toll them to kill their enemis to defend their country. hat about Joshua,David, Samson were they not children of GOD besides oviously you are not familiar with the military my friend . the military has different jobs where people don't necesarely have to be in the front lines, we have cooks, drivers, nurces,mechanics, and ofcourse there is always the infantry, but of course is all up to you what you want to do . I had a choice and i chose the front lines.

    • You say this like he signed up and then all of the sudden, OUT OF NOWHERE, the military went to its very first war and produced the VERY FIRST casualties. If war and its cost are something you don't agree with, you have that right. But in the US of A, you also have the right to NOT SIGN UP. If you enlist knowing what the job entails, and then think you get to back out because you failed to consider the lives at stake (including your own), then I have no sympathy and no desire to say that it's just a person "refusing to sin and kill". He had that option to walk out of the recruiter's office, but he never took it. boohoo.

  13. Isn't this like getting a job at a brothel then deciding pre marital sex is wrong?

  14. When you enlist or sign a scholarship or other contract with the army there are forms which are signded declaring that they are not concientious objectors. This soldier lied on officially signed documents. So it's time to pay the piper. There was a medical doctor MAJ that tried to pull that crap back in the Gulf War and was court martialed. She did a little time and flushed her medical license down the toliet with a federal conviction. Selfish stupid people

  15. The fact that this (former) soldier choose to use conscious objector status is perfectly with in the law. I served with Honor. This man, did act on his conscious and did so in a manner consistent with the law of the land. He did not run away. He stood his ground and sucked it up, regardless of what was pressured on him & his family. He had a back-bone and did something that many do not do…he had courage in the face of adversity! Give credit where credit is due!

    • Where was his conscience when he signed up. Again, he chose the US ARMY, HE CHOSE. I am pretty sure that anyone born after 1901 knows that the army goes to war. He DID NOT chose the Red Cross or the Peace Corps. Where exactly is the objection? He does have this right, but he also signed legal documents stating he was NOT an objector. So I will give him credit, I credit him with being a good liar. If his moral compass says don’t go to war, don’t pick up guns, don’t kill someone, well it’s funny how his compass brought him into a US ARMY recruiters office, and his compass said to sign your name right there. His moral compass had him pass up Walmart, or McDonald’s, or Home Depot, or cut grass, or any other of 1000000000 jobs that are non war related. It’s funny that moral compass only spoke up when he got orders to shop out.

      • Liam, I hear what you are saying, but it is BS. I don’t buy he woke up one morning, after joining of his own free will, never seeing the battle field, and suddenly thinking, man I am against the war. Really that is back bone? More like the lack thereof.

    • Umm I'd say he lost his backbone (if he ever had one to begin with). Fine, get out of the military, dishonorable discharge since he's not performing the duties he signed up for (so flush any federal or contract job goodbye) and pay back the taxpayers all the money you wasted and move on with life…of course I wouldn't advise moving back to your hometown, or anywhere people might recognize you, because you are doomed to a life of ridicule. I hear Canada in the faaaaaar north accepts cowards and deserters with open arms

      • Jim in Texas | July 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm |

        Canada has accepterd them, but, they prefer men or women who are willing to fight for their country. No I'd say revoke his passport as well. Why should we let people like this represent us to other countries of the world.
        He signed a contract knowing full well that the real Army isn't a video game, where you die six times hit "game over" and start the game over. Sadly that is what the video game generation thinks we've got here.
        Either honor your contract or pay up.

    • Yeah, he sucked it up to not to deploy because he thought he wouldn't have to for whatever reason. Common sense if there's a war going on in Afghanistan at this moment and I'm joining right now at this moment, don't I think I will deploy there if needed to, sooo if I'm not for fighting the war in Afghanistan, umm why sign my name on the line to do so. Now, if he joined and a new war started with some other country and he wasn't for it I could get using this excuse to not deploy…but you signed up knowing we've been in Afghanistan for over 10 years, so obviously for some reason he thought he wasn't going to deploy and he was going to just collect a pay check every month while staying close to his family.

    • Edward A Eisen | July 17, 2013 at 4:25 pm |

      He took an oath when he joined the service. If he didn't want to honor his commitment, then he should not have joined. As long as he was safe, he was o.k. But when it was time to honor his oath and execute the commands of his superiors, his cowardice surfaced. He is a shameless coward who won't do his part to defend our country and honor his oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. He is a COWARD no matter how you justify it. Congress makes the laws but it is because of the Brave that we and you enjoy the freedom we have.

  16. Go direct to the military jail for the rest of his time he signed up for . Or send him to Cuba no pay, basic medical,

  17. I'd be lying if I didn't say I was scared the first time I went out the wire. Anyone who has faced that moment and wasn't scared and excited at the same time is a liar. It's what you do immediately after that moment that defines you. I am not sure why he thinks he is special. I have wife, 4 kids, a home, brothers, sisters and a huge extended family, in other words a lot to lose, just like every other one of my Military brothers and sisters.
    SELFESHNESS – That is the key word here. He's perfectly willing to stand here in the safety of the United States and wave "his rights" in our face, yet he's not willing to step up and defend those rights himself! He's more than happy to send his brothers and sisters in to harms way and let them do the dirty work. Shame on him and shame on the "Our Lives Our Rights" for supporting this mutineer.

  18. Douglas M. Waggoner | July 16, 2013 at 12:35 pm |

    Get rid of him, pronto. He is poison. Don't quibble about the particulars. Just get rid of him. He is poison.

  19. airforceaggie | July 16, 2013 at 2:13 pm |

    It is one thing if he was a draftee. However, as it is an all volunteer military, I just don't buy his conversion to CO status. He is just a coward trying to get out of a deployment.

  20. This dude volunteered…. I have had soldier who have not wanted to go but manned up and went females at that!! Make him go and burn shit all year! I wouldn't want him next to me anyways,

  21. Let me just say when my twins (my son & daughter) wanted me to sign their papers to enlist at 17 I sat down and asked them why they wanted to join the US ARMY. They said because they wanted to serve their country…ok good. The next part of our conversation is something I will never forget because it got really raw because this is what I said:

    "You know that serving in the military is really tough right? Its nothing like those video games you guys play or anything like the movies you watch right? BCT is a real a reality check you go in YOU and come out a different YOU. You know you wont be the same again right? You know that you can deploy at anytime right? And where you go can be dangerous right? You also understand that you may have to KILL other people, right? You also know that you can be killed in action as well serving your country right?"

    When all was said and done they looked at each other and said "Yes momma we understand…everyone has to die and if thats where it ends we're ok with that. Are you ok with that momma? We would rather die on the battle fiels than die on a corner turf fight in the neighborhood".

    So yea people really know what theyre signing up for…

    • I signed the papers and said I would be home waiting for them and no matter what theyve done or seen I will be home ready to hold them and cry with them if needed. All soldiers need 1000% of love and support when they get home…because only they know what theyve done and seen. Real soldiers sacrifice their souls for our Freedom and there is no room for doubts and 2nd guessing when out there. I definitely agree that kids needs to go…he should also pay what he's taken.

    • Bravo Zulu! Well said! And they are a credit to you, as well.

    • Damn Rossi…I teared up reading that.
      Thanks for being a mom that other mothers should look up to.

  22. This brought up an interesting question in my mind–I had heard for "conscientious objectors" during the Vietnam War and the semi (but not really) thing of some of the times where "stop losses" were coming up in the Iraq war.

    So you can be a conscientious objector but that pretty much puts you out of the military completely. I am curious about whether or not its THIS particular war. I asked my husband what he would do if he just didn't agree to a war….he said he would still go and do his duty, because you may not always agree 100% with what your commander in chief asks you to do. And I agree with that statement.

    But then I was curious in this article–was this person a coward, did this solider just not get what he was signing up for, is he going back on his commitment? Probably–but made me curious if it also may have something to do with just no longer being on board with THIS war, which arguably many people might feel has run its course. I myself still feel that regardless, he needs to go….but brings up an interesting question of how our soldiers and marines may feel about this and how that may parallel the Vietnam war?

  23. Really? The word candy-ass comes to mind. I grew up in a military family, almost 21 years, watched my dad board the plane for Ft. Bragg on his way to Vietnam. He had already served in Korea. I joined right after the all volunteer Army was started and served 3 years as 11B. Watched a nephew serve one tour in Iraq and a step-son two deployments in Afghanistan. You sign the dotted line you man-up and fulfill your obligation. End of story short of a signed note from God.

    • So you never had to deploy to a combat zone if you joined right after the All Volunteer Army started, right, Keith? So you never had to face any moral dilemna about going to a combat zone, did you? Calling someone a 'candy ass' when you haven't deployed yourself is pretty funny. Like the pot calling the kettle black, eh Internet Anonymous Tough Guy?

      Sounds to me like the guy got homesick while in Basic and didn't get much family support for deployment. All this machismo talk about 'balls' – many from women…. how ironic. This guy needs to be counseled by his Company Comander. If he still wants CO status after that, we have plenty of people in service who have never deployed outside the US.

  24. Just wandering, is this kid some gang rat that joined just to learn some street skills to be more deadly back in the hood? If so, let him break rocks into dust for the rest of his tour. If that's to harsh for our new pansy government, thin send him to the Stan and give him the crapp jobs for the next year.

    • Carlos Rodriguez | July 25, 2013 at 11:20 am |

      Hello Greg I am a veteran last name Rodriguez why are you saying if this kid is a gang rat, because of his first and last name. I served a tour in Iraq I got stop loss finish my tour and discharged honorably so do you think for having that last name does that make me a gang rat.

  25. Please leave the President "Our President" out of this. If you have a brain at all you would know that it is not the President but rather the Congress that makes war.
    Keep your distorted politics to yourself.
    As for the soldier in question, he signed up to perform a duty to his country and out of fear or some other consideration came up with a rediculous reason not to go to war. I agree that he should pay back every cent that it cost to train him for somethiong he agreed to.

  26. Jakki Hall | July 16, 2013 at 7:29 pm |

    I say Dishonorable discharge. I am a female Disabled Veteran who was a single parent after divorce and I went wherever my orders directed me. He probably came in hoping to be assigned to a base/unit which wouldn't deploy. Us veterans and active duty know you can be deployed as an individual or unit. I was PCS'd to Desert Storm because my General kept saying he needed me. It's evident he didn't develope honor while in basic/AIT. More evidence of the military's mistake of becoming more of a business than what it is supposed to stand for. so glad i served during earlier times. WHIMP. DISCHARGE THE COWARD.

  27. This type of objector has gone back as far as we have had a military. Even before if you count the Pilgrim community protection militias. It was common in WWI and WWII. I know of draftees who chose medical service as opposed to combat arms in almost every conflict we've had. Particularly when a draft was involved. I saw it myself when I first enlisted in 75. The only hitch was you had to do it in basic and if you didn't you were pretty much stuck. My last deployment in 2009 I saw several "nobs" coming up with just about every excuse in the book not to deploy but they got away with it. Unfortunately we entice many to enlist with the promise to pay for college etc.. It is explained that a deployment will most likely happen but the system can be manipulated. As far as I'm concerned it's better to find out someone is unwilling and or unable prior to stepping outside the wire. If they object there are hundreds of support positions for them. In the civilian sector….. HooAh.

  28. Tell you what, put me in a room with him for a few hours. A little wall to wall counseling is in order.

  29. A Humble Spouse | July 16, 2013 at 7:55 pm |

    All I have to say is this: You are being incredibly judgmental about a situation you know nothing about. I had a friend, who after a deployment came back different. He came back and said that he felt what he had seen was wrong and he filed a conscientious objector package. He had no ulterior motive. His beliefs had changed.
    I don't think we know all the information here and it is quite possible that something moved this soldier to make this decision, something real and profound to HIM. The point is, you aren't him. You don't know. You'll never know and it really isn't appropriate to call someone a coward when you don't have the facts.
    Over a decade of war has battered all of us and changed us in different ways and it's hard to see someone make a choice that seems to contradict what you hold most dear. But there are conscientious objectors who do serve in the military, and who came to that place in different ways.
    Maybe it's because I'm old and I have seen a lot of things over the years outside and inside this military bubble, but the truth is people change all the time, in unpredictable ways, governed by a variety of experiences they are having in their lives at any given moment. Most profound moments aren't public. It is possible that he is trying to game the system, but you don't know what he said in his objection package, where he has to describe his beliefs and motivators. There is a process to this, by which the military will evaluate his claim and determine this. Even if they deny his claim, he may yet serve his obligation. I have known people who have done just that.
    Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes, you really don't have the right to judge.

    • Your friend actually deployed, so he deserves the benfit of the doubt. Munoz hasn't deployed; he heard from a group of protesters that he had an easy out, and he took it. Oh, and being human means we judge daily. Who are you to assert that we have no right to do so?

  30. stpaulchuck | July 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm |

    I think the comment about him 'playing at being a soldier' is probably the closest to the fact. It's amazing how these guys' eyes open up when they get to the rifle range and discover this stuff if for real. I also think the wife is a BIG influence here. It sounds like she got an earful from the cowardly peaceniks. This so smells like Viet Nam days.

  31. Old Soldier | July 16, 2013 at 9:25 pm |

    I joined the Army in 1971 and was fully aware of the fact that I might be sent to Viet Nam. If this child suddenly wants CO status, let him have it. Just make sure that he serves every day that he signed up for. If not, he should pay back every cent that he was paid. No way he didn't know of the possible deployment.

  32. Earthquake | July 16, 2013 at 9:27 pm |

    I think that he's an individual who used a knowledgeable tactic to get the best of both worlds…a paycheck with benefits for himself and his family, and what he thinks is a free ride in the rear for the duration of his enlistment. Back in my days ('80-'94), to declare CO meant going through a gambit of interviews (interrogations is more appropriate) starting with the Chaplain of the unit. It only escalated from there until a decision was made one way or the other. There were only 2 basic outcomes: General Discharge under Honorable conditions, or an Other Than Honorable discharge. Of course, if REAL criminal foresight could be proved, then there was a Court Martial which almost always ended in a Dishonorable Discharge. I think this person falls in the last category and should be court martialed and made to serve time.

  33. court martial him put in jail throw him out he signed the blank check for one to defend the unite states

  34. Flarekicker | July 16, 2013 at 11:09 pm |

    What did he think he was joining, the Boy Scouts and all he'd have to do is go the summer camp and eat toasted marshmallows??? Someone has clearly neglected his history lessons because I don't remember reading anywhere that the military's main duty was to be a social club and not expect its members to stand behind the oath they took. What if General Washington's army, or the brave defenders of Bataan or Wake Island or D-Day or the Battle of the Bulge, or the Frozen Chosen or Khe Sanh had felt this way. Where would our country be now???

    • Hey! Don't denegrate the Boy Scouts…or the Cub Scouts either. At least they know the sharp end of a knife. This "chickenlittle" would probably have a hard time with a pen and paper…er…oh! Wait! He did flunk "Pen & Paper. The Concepts Of Reality."

      Never mind!

  35. Douglas M. Waggoner | July 17, 2013 at 1:15 am |

    I have no sympathy for him. He is unfit. For the good of the service, and the country, he should voluntarily leave. If not, the he should be dishonorably discharged, drummed out with full ceremony, and charges of fraud be filed against him – at the least.

  36. Since the man is prohibited from saying anything it’s impossible for us to know his thoughts and motivations. I’d suggest withholding judgment until the evidence is in.

  37. Leon Suchorski | July 17, 2013 at 4:52 am |

    He joined up because he knew that we were pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and he figured that he could sit around the barracks, because there would be no where to be sent. But it doesn't work that way, because something is always coming up, and troops are always deploying. Without the expectation of deploying, he is just on WELFARE, so to speak, because there is no reason to BE A WARRIOR. But like it usually happens in the military, something comes up and they cut him orders for a combat zone. And since this happened right after boot camp, I believe that we have a case here for fraudulent enlistment, and give him 6, 6, and Big Chicken Dinner.

  38. Vietnam Vet | July 17, 2013 at 5:54 am |

    PFC Bradley Manning was RIGHTFULLY nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. He should have been awarded the Medal of Honor for exposing the corruption and illegal activities going on in our military.

    • Yeah, Manning deserves the Nobel prize just as much as Obama deserves it.
      You also have a strange idea of the requirements to be awarded the medal of honor

    • Manning probably got someone/many killed.
      Not EXACTLY what the MOH is about…but then, pretending you're a Vietnam Vet in your signature means that you've used the same logic in thinking that Manning, or anyone else of his ilk, is a NPP or MOH candidate. I call TROLL on you.

  39. Vietnam Vet | July 17, 2013 at 5:55 am |

    PFC Bradley Manning was RIGHTFULLY nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. He should have been awarded the Medal of Honor for exposing the corruption and illegal activities going on in our military.

  40. ARMYtango | July 17, 2013 at 9:31 am |

    Well put!
    When I got out of Basic/AIT in 2002…I was sent to Ft. Hood also. Found out that my unit was preparing to deploy to Iraq in 3 weeks!
    I was young, and newly married…and honestly…scared. No one new what to expect as the war hadn't officially started.
    It became real at that moment as well….but when I signed up (right after 9/11), I told my wife; "This may mean I will have to go somewhere"
    When you join the miltary…no matter what branch…you WILL go somewhere…and everyone knows it.
    This guy definitely got cold feet…and so did his wife. I can't see how his beliefs changed just by going through Basic.

  41. Dr. Herbert Rohmann | July 17, 2013 at 10:10 am |

    Good morning — I read all the above responses. I had NO intention to write a personal response. However at this point, I feel "led" to respond.
    I volunteered for the draft when I was 18. I was trained to spend time in the Korean War but my orders were changed to serve in Germany for two years in the Army. I was prepared to fight and, God willing, lay down my life for this country. My parents came to this country from Germany in their 20's and worked hard to survive. My sister and I "caught" their strong, mature, responsible, loyal to this country, dedication, etc. At 18 I was willing to die for this country, while serving.
    As an adult I entered the field of public education. I retired early to travel internationally to serve Jesus Christ in some very dangerous 3rd world countries. Next week I'm going to one of them for my 64th time. I could be killed there, and people ask me why I put myself at risk like that. I tell them that if I'm killed, I get promoted to be with Jesus.
    What's the point? I subconsciously learned as a boy to live and die for something worthwhile. Joining the Army had the potential of death while serving my country. Now, I'm in a situation where i could die serving my Master Jesus Christ. I HAVE found my purpose for living and dying. Have you?

    • Earthquake | July 22, 2013 at 9:21 pm |

      You actually view Jesus as your "Master?" What: did you wake up one day and decide that you were to be a slave to another? You need professional help.

  42. ABDELKADER HAMDAOUI | July 17, 2013 at 10:11 am |

    This hypocrite is a poisonous parasite. Taxpayers should have him hung by the short and curlies.

  43. I know I have been out of uniform for quite a while now so I am sure people will understand my confusion here.

    When did the Army create the rank of PrivateSecond Class? I Remember, Private E1, Private E2, and then Private First Class (E3).

    So did I miss something?

  44. He enlisted in the volunteer Army and now he wants to be a CO? He should receive a discharge
    without honor.

  45. John Warren | July 17, 2013 at 11:05 am |

    Fry his arse, then make him pay back the tax payer for all the training, food, clothing, medical care and babysitting in boot camp. I can't stand people like this. Even the Lord says to fight for what is right.

  46. I am a Retired US Army First Sergeant (of an AIT Company), Drill Sergeant, 4 tours in IRAQ, same story as many others. I say either put him out and make him pay back every penny. Do it quick so others don't get to see a long drawn out process in which he will get a paycheck for him and his family for a LONG time while the process moves along at a snail pace. The Army Legal system works on a 9 to 5, Monday thru Friday Pace (if you're lucky) while Soldiers Deployed (or training for that matter) get paid NO OVERTIME and work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. This kid will rake in the dollars doing nothing while his Company or Battalion Deploys and puts themselves in harms way for the same money (plus a few extra bucks of pro pay). PUT HIM OUT QUICKLY!!!

  47. Vietnam Veteran | July 17, 2013 at 11:58 am |

    When you answer the call to serve your country, you do not pick the War or the Place. Why do you think that only 1 percent or a little less choose to serve. I agree, to kick him out and make him pay all the money back spent on his training and benefits. War and Military Service is not an X-Box Game you can just turn off when you are tire of playing soldier. This "Boy" is not fit to put on a Military Uniform.

  48. Retired ANG Chief | July 17, 2013 at 12:12 pm |

    Sounds like an idiot democrat chickenshirt to me.

  49. When I served I went to SE Asia and Europe a few times mostly in less than a friendly environment. Yes it was hard on the family but that goes with defending our country and not what I would rather do. During Vietnam we had a lot of draftees and conscious objectors and most of them served with honor and diction. They did not want to be there either but they also went and did what was required of them. This dirt bag should be give chooses. 1. suck up and deal with what he sign up for. 2. Pay the military back everything they have invested in to him (clothes, room and board, training, pay and allowances). 3. vacation time at Leavenworth Ks as a coward.

  50. Retired ANG ChiefSounds like an idiot democrat chickenshirt to me. …

    Politics has nothing to do with this DUmb azz.

  51. "Munoz was ordered to show-up at his unit with his gear for deployment. He came as ordered, but left his gear at home and told his command that participating conflicted with his conscience, according to this story. As a result his command reassigned him to the rear while a decision on his objector application is being made."

    Not the call I would have made. His conscientious objector packet can be evaluated quite easily in Afghanistan. Jeremy Hinzman's was denied in theater. Keeping Munoz in the rear just sends the message that this is a way to get out of deployment.

  52. U.S. Army MSG (RET) | July 17, 2013 at 5:48 pm |

    I served 22 years in the U.S. Army. It was my decision to join and make the commitment to serve God and Country with everything that I had. When the Gulf War was getting ready to kick off I was raising my hand high asking to be sent. But there were a lot others that were saying "I joined the Army to go to school, not go to war". When I heard these folks saying this I confronted them and told them "What do you think the Army does? We don't just sit around and BS and train for the hell of it. Getting the GI Bill is a benefit to raising your hand and volentering to join the military, but you DO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT BENIFIT by doing what the REAL reason the military exist, GO TO WAR AND PROTECT THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE FROM ENEMIES BOTH FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC." These words are in the oath that you take when you raise your hand and state the oath on the day that you join. If you have to go to war then that is what you have to do and when you do you have to give 110% to defeat the enemy.

    MSG (RET)
    U.S. Army

  53. MSG (RET) | July 17, 2013 at 5:51 pm |

    For this kid to go thru Basic Training and AIT with no problems and then when he gets orders to deploy and EARN his pay and benifits to roll over and all of a sudden say that he is a CO is crazy. He thought that he could play the system and keep from getting deployed to defend American Interest anywhere in the world. It is people like that who need to be weeded out during training and if they are good at hiding it while going thru training but show thier real colors when they get to thier 1st assignement then the command should say OK no problem, you will not deploy BUT you will be COURT MARTIALED and we will make sure that you spend some quality time in Ft. Levenworth making big rocks into small rocks and get a DISHONORABLE discharge. And by the way the dishonorable discharge will follow you for the rest of your life. You will not be able to qualify for any Federal, State or local programs nor will you be able to get a job no better than flipping burgers for the rest of your life.

    MSG (RET)
    U.S. Army

  54. MSG (RET) | July 17, 2013 at 5:53 pm |

    It is such a disgrace that we have an all voulenteer military and still have idiots like this come in, taking a position away from someone that REALLY wants it. This kid had to have lied on the contract paperwork, which by the way is a Federal Crime. If he did not want to have to go to war then why on earth did he join the military in the first place.

    A lot of this can be changed if Basic Training would be like it used to be, hard on body, mind and soul. That weeded out the ones that were weak. Now a days the recruits have stress cards that they can hold up and tell the Drill Sergeant's that they are stressing out and need a break. I don't see how that would get anyone ready to do what it takes to complete a mission or do what needs to be done in a war zone.

    MSG (RET)
    U.S. Army

    • Just curious MSG (RET), if a person pusses out with a "stress card," does that "situation" get written up and go with their jacket so others down the line can see if this type of thing is going to be a problem with their group, or not?

  55. Ryan, you DO NOT get to pick your wars when you join the military! When a REAL war breaks out you will join up? To do WHAT? This isn't the day when they handed you a musket and pointed you at the enemy. To be effective, a soldier needs to be trained and depending on the specialty that could take months or even longer By the time you would be of any use other than a target it would be over.
    The soldier? in question wanted all of the benefits , but NONE of the responsibilities

  56. I say deploy him and place him in a noncombat duty pending his CO status. Cook, supply, transportation would meet the requirement. Just don’t issue him a gun.

    • Pounding rocks is a better duty. No rifles and not a chance that he could get one…ever.

  57. RetiredUSAF | July 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm |

    I didn't read all comments, so apologies if this has already been stated…
    One really sad thing about this situation is that this coward will more than likely not get a BCD since he is facing this mysterious change of heart. And as such he will be just as entitled to VA benefits as those brave service members who have gone into combat.
    That is just a sad commentary on how our system works.

  58. Gregory Matthews | July 17, 2013 at 9:39 pm |

    Conscientious objector: It was 1945 and Cpl. Desmond Doss was standing on the lawn of the White House as the President of the United Stated hung the Medal of Honor around his neck.

    Doss was a conscientious objector who fought the Army, for the right to serve his country, when it attempted to discharge him. Doss won and he was not discharged.

    Doss was unique in that he was a Seventh-day Adventist who believed that he could not do non-essential duty on Saturday, the day he believed to be the Sabbath.

    It was on a Saturday that Doss was officially credited with saving the lives of 75 soldiers.

    Doss left the Army with a 100% disability rating and dies recently.

    He was only one of a number of conscientious objectors who have served their country with honor and distinction. Google his name and read about him.

  59. desc10thMtn87 | July 17, 2013 at 10:19 pm |

    In an all volunteer Army (Service) and especially now that we have been in Afghanistan and like wars for several decades. He should have known what was expected. Frankly what we're doing over there now (or in Iraq which is now back to being the same butthole as it was under Saddam) I would not blame anyone for not signing up. But he knew the chances were 99.9% he would be shipped of to some god forsaken sandbox. __But then at 18, if we don't trust a kid to be able to make the decision to smoke or drink, Why should we expect they are mature enough to commit to getting shot if the order is given?__ If he really has true CO feelings, train him to be a field medic. That's what was done during WWII and they were some of the bravest men on the battlefield…And no one would be calling him a coward or a wimp! It was a hell of a lot more likely for a Field medic to be KIA than the other frontline dogfaces.

  60. Gregory Matthews | July 17, 2013 at 10:24 pm |

    For those of you who would like to learn more about Desmond T. Doss I refer you to:

    The 200 Terry Benedict film, THE CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR. It is often shown on cable TV near Veterans' Day.

    The 1967 & 2004 revision of the book THE UNLIKLIEST HERO, by Booton Herndon.

    NOTE: There have been several other books written bout Doss.

  61. Send him packing with a BCD for the Good of the Service with no benefits. Buh bye, coward.

  62. I bet he was a greater soldier on xbox 360 and playstation 3 so his little brain convince him to sign up for the real deal but has reality kicks in he becomes a scared antelope that just saw a mirror reflection of a tiger.

  63. If his discharge is anything but honorable or under honorable conditions, he will lose all VA benefits as a conscientious objector. That is a bar from benefits. He is a piece of trash who needs to spend a little time in Quantico.

  64. twoandone | July 18, 2013 at 1:49 am |

    Mr Munoz, this young man has every right to object to serving. The HERD needs to shut up and respect his personal views. I am a veteran so don't swing crap this way.

    • twoanddone, yes, he has a right to object, but he didn't object until he had to pay back Uncle Sam by deploying. Then he hears about an easyy out and takes it, expecting to be rewarded for standing up to the army. And if you did two terms, I'm a month away from retirement, so don't try to tell me not to call you on your crap, son. He's wrong, and so are you. Oh, and this is our PACK, not our HERD. That doesn't invalidate the premise that he's a wanna-be who doesn't belong in uniform and deserves criticism.

  65. twoandone | July 18, 2013 at 1:55 am |

    The HERD are nothing more than a weak group of people that can only survive by belonging to a group of cowards that attack without cause or thought process and they feel protected when they run in groups. The real cowards are the HERD.

    • Earthquake | July 22, 2013 at 9:42 pm |

      Well…bully to you twoandone! Pull the old HERD mentality out without even a second thought of the real face of it being the social contract that has held our societies together for 10's of thousands of years….war and all.

  66. Bob Raesemann | July 18, 2013 at 4:38 am |

    This clown wasn't drafted so he knew what he was signing up for, Either ship his ass overseas or throw him out.

  67. We should him the bill for Basic Training, discharge him, and let him pay back the tab at a “really good” rate…

  68. He is not the first, and will not be the last. Now make him pay back every cent he or his family received and cut off all benefits.

  69. Simple put,
    his motives as a conscientious objector then, filing a objector's application is a breach of contract. As a result, cut the paper chase and give him a less than honorable discharge, then, wave bye-bye. The Military must move forward with its mission(s).

  70. I say dishonorable discharge, confiscate all property, titles, and certifications, revoke citizenship, and ship him, space available, to Iraqi desert.

  71. Back in the 70s, when you went to the recruiting station, you listed 3 MOS positions and you listed 3 stations you'd like to go to. AT THE TIME, the recruiter would PROMISE YOU (I think it was in the contract…) that you'd, AT LEAST, get ONE OF THE SIX CHOICES you asked for. It was the combination of 1 from list A (MOSs) and/or 1 from list B (stations). I ASKED "If nothing was available from list A or B, you out of luck?" The recruiter said "Yep. Then you have to go were they need you." I still made my decision based on the recruiter's answer.
    I ended up getting an Honorable Discharge due to a bad knee (that they knew about before I took the oath…that's why it didn't became an issue later on.).
    But, I knew what the possibilities were BEFORE I SIGNED ANYTHING. I LISTENED AND PAID ATTENTION.
    So, if Mr. Chickenlittle forgot his bottle of No-Doze or Ritalin before he went to the center, tuff-titties for him. Grab a peeler and start working on those 'taters…your paperwork is moving right along…like a glacier before MMGW…

  72. john salmon | July 19, 2013 at 1:38 pm |

    god said you shall not murder

  73. Coward. go join the navy.. haha lol just kidden.. but he is %100 a coward.. Refusing to go to war? When I learned of my spinal injury I begged and pleaded to be allowed to go down range with my unit.. feeling my duty to our country was more important than my own personal pain..

  74. Rive gauche | July 30, 2013 at 6:46 pm |

    The mind is capable of a lot more conscious thought than most contributors here seem capable of. No one seems able to give the man the benefit of the doubt that maybe – possibly, hypothetically – the man had an epiphany of conscience and while he wishes to not directly participate in war fighting activities seems willing to serve in a noncombatant capacity. Like chaplains, or lawyers or doctors. Or combat medics. My god what a bunch of closed minded bigots have piled on here. And they're allowed to vote…dreadful.

  75. Congress should amend all laws which provide benefits to veterans (war-time annuity, etc.) to exclude from eligibility those who receive conscientious-objector status during any term of their enlistments.

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